Interview with Lidia Bastianich – Part 1 and a recipe for Rice and Zucchini Crostata (Torta di Riso e Zucchine)

Julia’s inspiration on Lidia’ s television career was evident.  “I love to communicate a way of life, a passion, a message.  It is what Julia did so well.  It was never about her.  Some chefs that are on television, it is all about them.  That is why Julia was so great.  She was interested in the viewers and getting something going in the kitchen.  If she made a mistake, she let it go.  If I have a hole in the pasta, I patch it.  It is okay.  It happens.  I am comfortable with that.”

How does she remember James Beard from those days? “He was certainly way ahead of his time.  He was a big man, heavy and quite jovial.  He was always very proper and wore a bow tie.”

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Of all of the different businesses Lidia has owned over her vast career, what has been the most challenging?  Restaurants.  She said this with no hesitation.  “There are so many ways to fail.  You can have the best chef, but not the ability to manage people and you will fail.”

As one business opportunity has led to another during her journey, she says, “It is all about getting the right people together.  Talented, ‘I can do that’ people.  I look for passion and a willingness to get in and roll up your sleeves and make it happen.  People who believe in something is more important than having people who come to work fully prepared and equipped and set in their ways.  I am committed to the people that work for me.  Once you built the trust of people, there is also understanding. You fuel their talent.  You have to have a vision and be a mentor.  They need to respect you.”

Part II of my discussion with Lidia Bastianich will cover more about her food philosophy, the importance of family, and where we are headed with cooking and food.

With Chef Fortunato Nicotra and Lidia Bastianich at Felidia

We had lunch at Felidia before meeting Lidia and had the pleasure of being introduced to Executive Chef Fortunato Nicotra who has been at Felidia since 1995.  Nicotra earned a Michelin Star at the age of 23 at Villa Marchese Restaurant in Milazzo, Sicily.  Since his arrival at Felidia, the restaurant has received numerous accolades including earning three stars from Ruth Reichl of the New York Times just three months after Chef Nicotra arrived.  Felidia was named by Wine Spectator as one of the “Top Ten Italian Restaurants in the United States” in 1998.  In 2008, USA Today’s Jerry Shriver said Felidia was #2 in his year-end round up of best restaurants in the world.

Our lunch at Felidia was one of our highlights while visiting New York City.  The beautiful scallop appetizer I had (no photo) was exceptional.  The Nantucket scallops were perfectly seared and incredibly sweet.  Chef Nicotra said they cannot always get those scallops, but they are very special when they do.  I also had Tonno, Yellow Fin Tuna “Palermitana”.  The fish was grilled on just one side, served rare with roasted fennel and an Agrodoci Sauce.

A few of our dishes from lunch at Felidia

Mr. B had a gorgeous seafood dish, Grigliata Di Pesce, with scallops, lobster, calamari, shrimp and razor clams.  Everything was presented beautifully and perfectly cooked.  The quality of the ingredients was evident in every course.  We only took a few photographs with the iPhone so that we would not disturb other diners, but each dish that arrived outdid the one before it.

I have made several of Lidia’s recipes at home and they have been excellent.  I would like to share one with you here, Torta di Riso e Zucchine (Rice and Zucchini Crostata).  This dish did have a few steps, but the results were outstanding.  We ate it as a main course with a salad since it was quite satisfying.  It would also be perfect to serve as a first course or appetizer.  The following notes about the recipe are from Lidia:

This is a generously proportioned version of the delicious rice-and- zucchini crostata, or tart, that my cousin prepared when our family first visited Genova, nearly fifty years ago. She made hers in a small baking pan, and mine is the same, only bigger! I use a half-sheet baking pan (a jelly-roll pan will work, too) lined with the olive-oil-based dough that has no leavening, is easy to make, and fantastic to roll. The large size of this crostata is necessary, I find, because the crostata disappears right away.

Whether I put it on a buffet in bite-sized party pieces, bring it to a picnic, or serve it as a plated appetizer or main course with salad, everyone loves it—and has to have another piece. And in the unlikely event you do have leftovers, they can be frozen and reheated—just as good as when freshly baked.

The procedure is straightforward and quick, though there’s one important (and interesting) step you must leave time for: steeping the uncooked rice with the shredded zucchini. Since squash is a watery vegetable and rice is dry and starchy, this steeping allows the rice to extract most of the vegetable water from the zucchini. In this way, the grain is softened enough to cook during the baking time, and without absorbing all the liquid from the ricotta and milk. The result is a moist, creamy, and flavorful filling.

Torta di Riso e Zucchine

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Torta di Riso e Zucchine (Rice and Zucchini Crostata


For the dough:
2 cups all-purpose flour, plus more for working
1 teaspoon kosher salt
1/2 cup extra-virgin olive oil
1/3 cup cold water, plus more as needed

For the filling:
1 pound small zucchini
1/2 cup Italian short-grain rice, such as Arborio, Carnaroli, or Vialone Nano
2 cups ricotta, preferably fresh, drained overnight
1 cup grated Grana Padano or Parmigiano-Reggiano
2 bunches scallions, finely chopped (about 2 cups)
3 large eggs, lightly beaten
2 cups milk
2 teaspoons kosher salt
Butter for the baking pan


You will need a food processor; a baking stone, if you have one; a 12-by- 18- inch rimmed baking sheet (a half-sheet pan).

To make the dough:
1. Put the 2 cups flour and the salt in the food processor fitted with the metal blade. Pulse a few seconds to aerate. Mix the oil and water together in a spouted measuring cup. With the processor running, pour the liquid through the feed tube and process about 30 seconds, until a soft dough forms and gathers on the blade. If it doesn’t, it is probably too dry. Add more water, in small amounts, until you have a smooth, very soft dough.

2. Turn the dough out onto a lightly floured surface and knead by hand for a minute, until it’s smooth and soft. Pat into a rectangle and wrap in plastic wrap. Let rest at room temperature for 1/2 hour. (The dough can be refrigerated for up to a day, or frozen for a month or more. Defrost in the refrigerator, and return to room temperature before rolling.)

To make the filling:
1. Shred the zucchini on the coarse holes of a box grater into a large bowl. Toss the rice and shredded zucchini together, and let sit for 30 minutes to an hour, so the grains absorb the vegetable liquid.

2. Fold in the ricotta (breaking up any lumps), then the grated cheese, scallions, beaten eggs, milk, and salt, stirring until thoroughly mixed. When you’re ready to bake the torta, set a rack in the bottom half of the oven—with a baking stone on it, if you have one—and heat the oven to 375º. Spread the butter on the bottom and sides of the pan.

3. On a lightly floured surface, roll the dough to a rectangle that’s at least 4 inches longer and wider than the baking sheet. Transfer the dough to the pan, either by folding it in quarters and lifting it onto the sheet, or by rolling it up around the floured rolling pin and then unfurling it over the baking sheet. When the dough is centered over the pan, then gently press it flat against the bottom and rim of the pan, leaving even flaps of overhanging dough on all sides. (If the dough tears as you are moving it, patch it with a bit of dough from the edges.)

4. Pour and scrape the rice-zucchini filling into the dough-lined pan, and spread it to fill the crust in an even layer. Fold the dough flaps over the top of the filling, pleating the corners, to form a top crust border that looks like a picture frame, with the filling exposed in the middle. Set the pan in the oven (on the heated stone), and bake until the crust is deep golden brown and the filling is set, 45 minutes to an hour. About halfway through the baking time, turn the pan in the oven, back to front, for even color and cooking. Cool the torta on a wire rack for at least 30 minutes to set the filling before slicing. The torta can be served warm or at room temperature, cut into appetizer or bite-sized pieces in any shape you like— squares, rectangles, triangles, or diamonds.

Lidia Bastianich
Recipe from
Reprinted with express permission



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